MyDD Help Me Win the Oil Argument!!

Hey Mydd,

I have flipped my Republican dad and am working on flipping my Republican mom into supporting Obama in the fall.  They live in central Ohio and are therefore very important electorally.

Unfortunately, the Republican offshore oil talking points have taken root in their house.  Below is the e-mail I want to send them to win them back on the oil issue.

I would love any advice on editing, more talking points, more sources (they love nonpartisan sources, i.e. MSM).  Do I have any factual errors because I don't want to get trapped in a partisan lie.  

Please help me win Ohio!!!


Hey,

Offshore oil-drilling is (or is going to be) a pretty big part of the Presidential campaign.  Right now the Republican party is winning the argument in the media because they are promising cheaper gas and their solution fits into a 30 second news soundbite (Drill in the ocean and gas will get cheaper).  The Democratic position is much harder to explain and is therefore losing because the media can't summarize it into a 30 second soundbite.  The super-short version of the Democratic position is that the oil companies are trying to screw us, increased offshore oil production won't decrease oil prices, and investing in alternative energy is a better bet in the long run.  

My goal is to explain the real truth without partisan bias (hopefully).  I am going to do this by going through the points and then linking to reputable sources (newspaper articles, government reports, etc.) to verify my claims.  This is going to be long and probably a little boring but please read it because I think it is a really important issue and if you know the truth neither side will be able to manipulate you.

So here we go.

The crux of the whole argument comes down to the following question:  Will removing the moratorium on new leases for offshore drilling increase oil production and decrease prices at the pump, and if so in what time frame?  Lets answer it.

What is the moratorium?

In 1981, Congress protected America's coasts, beaches, and marine ecosystems from the oil and gas development when they adopted the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) Moratorium.  The moratorium prevents the leasing of coastal waters for the purpose of fossil fuel development. Every year since then Congress has renewed the moratorium on new oil and gas development off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts as well as Bristol Bay Alaska. In 1990, President George H.W. Bush authored an additional level of protection, which deferred new leasing until 2002 and Bill Clinton then extended in 1998 to 2012.  George W. Bush removed the Presidential protection a couple of weeks ago but the Congressional ban still stands.

The moratorium covers 85 percent of the country's coastal waters -- everywhere except the central and western Gulf of Mexico and some areas off Alaska. See the map below for areas that can and cannot be drilled.

Figure taken from the following 2006 MSNBC.com article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13573049/

15% of coastal waters are open for leasing (blue sections of the map).  The map does not cover offshore oil rigs that were in place before the ban.  They mainly exist in the Gulf of Mexico and off California.

Before we talk  about opening up the other 85% of coast, lets talk about the open 15% (43 million acres).

The approximately 43 million acres leased OCS acres generally accounts for about 15 percent of America's domestic natural gas production and about 27 percent of America's domestic oil production.   (http://www.mms.gov/offshore/)

Unfortunately, they are currently only trying to produce oil on 23% of currently leased land (onshore and offshore). The 68 million acres (33 million offshore) of leased but inactive federal land have the potential to produce an additional 4.8 million barrels of oil and 44.7 billion cubic feet of natural gas each day.  This would nearly double total U.S. oil production, and increase natural gas production by 75 percent.  It would also cut U.S. oil imports by more than one-third, reducing America's dependency on foreign oil. Oil and gas companies are not required to demonstrate diligent development.   Because of this, oil and gas companies have been allowed to stockpile leases in a non-producing status, while leaving millions of acres of leased land untouched.

Democratic members of the house have recently introduced a bill (H.R. 6251). This bill forces their hand by compelling them to produce or hand the over their idle leases for someone who will.  For data in last paragraph, see: http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/inde x.php?option=com_content&task=view&a mp;id=389&Itemid=70

One reason that oil companies are not currently willing to drill for oil offshore in lands they already have is due to how expensive it is and lack of equipment.  According to the NY Times, there are not enough drilling ships to dig for oil where we know it is.  A drilling ship costs about 500 million dollars.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/busine ss/19drillship.html?_r=1&ref=science &oref=slogin

Democrats argue that we should not open new leases for drilling until the oil companies have tried to find oil in areas they control (68 million acres).   They believe that oil companies are playing politics and are just trying to stockpile offshore leases so they control the land when they choose to use it, presumably not in the near future or they would drill what they have.

In order to continue, we have to assume that if the ban were lifted oil companies would immediately begin drilling for oil in the newly available lands.  

Would immediate drilling have an immediate impact?  Republicans say yes.  Democrats say no.  John McCain splits the difference and says that the effect would be most psychological and would make people feel better but admits prices would change little in the short term.

John McCain:  "I don't see an immediate relief, but I do see that exploitation of existing reserves that may exist -- and in view of many experts that do exist off our coasts -- is also a way that we need to provide relief. Even though it may take some years, the fact that we are exploiting those reserves would have psychological impact that I think is beneficial."  See: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 008/06/24/1163504.aspx

The majority of Republicans are arguing that drilling offshore would stop oil speculation and oil prices would drop due to the lack of speculation.  Democrats believe that oil speculation should be limited by passing regulations and that if properly regulated oil would drop by about 30%.   (name removed) e-mailed about speculation a couple of weeks ago.  Here is his link: http://www.stopoilspeculationnow.com/

The organization he linked to endorses passing regulations to limit speculation.   A bill limiting speculation was recently introduced by the Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D) but was blocked by Senate Republicans because they wanted to tie it to their bill to remove the offshore moratorium. See: http://www.boston.com/business/articles/ 2008/07/26/oil_speculation_bill_blocked/

Another option that has been discussed is actually collecting taxes from oil companies that are taking oil from leased public lands.  Due to negligence or corruption in the current administration, we have not been collecting the appropriate fees from the oil companies.  Prepared by the Interior Department's inspector general, Earl E. Devaney, the report said that investigators found a "profound failure" in the agency's technology for monitoring oil and gas payments.  The report suggests we have lost and will continue to lose around 10 billion dollars over the next decade.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/26/busine ss/26oil.html?_r=3&hp=&oref=slog in&pagewanted=print

That takes care of short term, but would immediate drilling have a long-term impact?  Republicans say yes.  Democrats say barely.

The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) recently did a detailed study of the likely outcome of offshore drilling for their Annual Energy Outlook 2007, "Impacts of Increased Access to Oil and Natural Gas Resources in the Lower 48 Federal Outer Continental Shelf (OCS)."
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/otherana lysis/ongr.html

Here are the three most important paragraphs:

The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017. Total domestic production of crude oil from 2012 through 2030 in the OCS access case is projected to be 1.6 percent higher than in the reference case, and 3 percent higher in 2030 alone, at 5.6 million barrels per day. For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projected to be 7 percent higher--2.4 million barrels per day in the OCS access case compared with 2.2 million barrels per day in the reference case (Figure 20). Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant.

Similarly, lower 48 natural gas production is not projected to increase substantially by 2030 as a result of increased access to the OCS. Cumulatively, lower 48 natural gas production from 2012 through 2030 is projected to be 1.8 percent higher in the OCS access case than in the reference case. Production levels in the OCS access case are projected at 19.0 trillion cubic feet in 2030, a 3-percent increase over the reference case projection of 18.4 trillion cubic feet. However, natural gas production from the lower 48 offshore in 2030 is projected to be 18 percent (590 billion cubic feet) higher in the OCS access case (Figure 21). In 2030, the OCS access case projects a decrease of $0.13 in the average wellhead price of natural gas (2005 dollars per thousand cubic feet), a decrease of 250 billion cubic feet in imports of liquefied natural gas, and an increase of 360 billion cubic feet in natural gas consumption relative to the reference case projections. In addition, despite the increase in production from previously restricted areas after 2012, total natural gas production from the lower 48 OCS is projected generally to decline after 2020.

Although a significant volume of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil and natural gas resources is added in the OCS access case, conversion of those resources to production would require both time and money. In addition, the average field size in the Pacific and Atlantic regions tends to be smaller than the average in the Gulf of Mexico, implying that a significant portion of the additional resource would not be economically attractive to develop at the reference case prices.

The EIA is saying that prices changes will be insignificant because oil will be going to the global market not just to US consumers.  

Democrats agree.  Since normal market fluctuations would override these minimal discounts on the price per barrel of oil for this short amount of time, there would be no long term benefit to Americans with concern to the price of gasoline. As far as the reduction in imports is concerned, the increased demand from China and India would far outweigh any decrease in our demand, and thus OPEC and other oil producing nations would not be affected.

EIA is also saying that most of the offshore oil and gas is in hard to reach places and is not currently economically attractive to extract.

This is pretty long.  I will send another report later concerning the environmental concerns with more drilling (the Coast Guard estimated that oil rigs hit by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita spilled more than 7 million gallons of oil into the Gulf.).  I will also talk about alternative energy and why I think it is important to start now instead of waiting until we are screwed.  The environment and alternative energy make up the second half of the Democratic stand on breaking the offshore moratorium.

Please help!!



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Re: MyDD help Me with Oil (none / 0)

MYDD help!!


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:20:35 PM EST

Re: MyDD Help Me Win the Oil Argument!! (2.00 / 2)

You asked for help so I'll speak freely.

Cut it in half, then cut it in half again. You should still have the main points.

You also might want to include something about the claim made by McCain that Bush lifting the executive ban caused the recent drop in oil prices. I wrote a diary about that just the other day - http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/24/0495 5/3597 There are links to articles you might find helpful.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:39:40 PM EST

Re: MyDD Help Me Win the Oil Argument!! (2.00 / 1)

Actually, my parents would much prefer the long version.  They like data and will listen but it has to be handed to them.

They will, however, push back against me excessively bashing Repubilicans.  I have run into that problem before.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:31:12 AM EST
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Re: MyDD Help Me Win the Oil Argument!! (none / 0)

Also, thanks for the link to your diary.  I hadn't read it yet.  Good stuff.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:43:28 AM EST
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Re: MyDD Help Me Win the Oil Argument!! (2.00 / 3)

Well, that doesn't fit in 30 seconds...

Here are a few that do:

Bush was the energy president, and this is where he's gotten us.  MCCain wants to coninue these disastrous energy policies.

Bush gave away $30 billion to the oil industry, and has that lowered prices?  Now we are going to give away billions more taxpayer dollars for what?

The oil drilled off the coast isn't going to go tot he U.S.  It will be sold on the world market NOT at home, where China and India currently put in the highest bids.  You're giving away a lot to the oil industry and getting nothing in return!  China's going to get all the oil, and you're going to pay the bills for the cleanup of the mess.

Fortunately, China won't see a drop of that oil for at least 8 years...  if it ever gets drilled at all.  The leases for the land helps fuel profits by increasing assets, but oil companies rarely actually drill on that land.  They make more money keeping supply low and prices high.  People have to buy gas no matter what the price.

There are dozens more... these are off the top of my head...  Go for the emotion, 'cos that's what the drilling debate is... and emotional debate...  Make sure they know that this is nothing more than a tax funded screwjob tot he public.

good luck!


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:39:51 PM EST

Re: MyDD Help Me Win the Oil Argument!! (2.00 / 1)

I do think I should push the evil oil company meme more.  That is something that most people can agree on even.

Thanks


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:32:38 AM EST
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Re: MyDD Help Me Win the Oil Argument!! (none / 0)

Eliminate your first argument.  McCain is not Bush on energy.  It creates a house of cards argument; once the differences become clear, it all falls apart.

This is why I've disagreed with the McSame--McBush--Bush's 3rd term strategy from the start.  Firstly, it's not honest.  Secondly, the McCain campaign can refute it in 10 days or less come October.

It's the same reason Bush beat Gore in 2000 and Kerry nearly beat Bush in 2004.


by SuperCameron on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:56:25 PM EST
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Re: MyDD Help Me Win the Oil Argument!! (2.00 / 3)

I've had a measure of success at work, where I work with several very conservative Repubs, by citing the same conclusions published by the EIA you describe above.

I've found it surprising how many people I talk with actually believe that oil drilled in America or off our coasts is being sold or will be sold directly to U.S. refineries at some kind of discount because, well, it's American made. So not true.

The EIA report explains that oil is an international commodity whose wellhead price is determined on the global market.

The EIA report also explains that the usual economic reality of falling price resulting from excess supply in relation to demand will not occur no matter how much we exploit our "technically recoverable undiscovered" reserves.

World-wide demand is growing so fast that any increase in our supply will be merely a drop in the bucket and hardly enough to affect price.

I usually conclude my "sermons" by pointing out that for every barrel we might find and discover and put to market nothing stops OPEC from simply dialing back their production barrel for barrel and keeping prices just as high as they've always been... or will be in twenty years.


by RickWn on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:09:36 AM EST

Re: MyDD Help Me Win the Oil Argument!! (2.00 / 1)

Good point about OPEC.  Thanks


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:33:10 AM EST
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This whole issue is a good lesson in gridlock (2.00 / 3)

Sometimes, it's how the issue is framed overall, rather than the merits of an argument that will determine who prevails. And if one side---rightly or wrongly---is perceived as being unreasonable, they are going to lose. Just ask Newt Gingrich about his efforts to shut down the government in 1995. It gave Bill Clinton the 6th of his nine lives!!

You've obviously researched this topic well, but I think the Dems are going to lose this argument...because of an unwillingness to compromise.

1) Whenever two sides each want something badly, I believe you have the opportunity for a successful negotiation. The drill/more supply folks want the drilling moratorium lifted so badly, you can see their hunger. And progressives want a coherent, long-range energy policy based on renewables. This is an oversimplification, but essentially, why not strike a compromise? The two goals are not mutually exclusive.

2) Just my guess: Nancy Pelosi telling Wolf Blitzer last week that she is "not going to allow a vote on drilling the OCS", is not the image that will help your cause. She is Speaker of the House--not the Queen Shit of Capitol Hill...she will lose this battle in the time it takes a cage fighter to tap out! And should we have another spike in crude oil prices next month--or God forbid a hurricane in the Gulf--the image of the new Democratic Congress on their August vacation will not be a good backdrop for the Democratic Convention as gas prices surge again.

3) McCain's "Dr.No" argument is starting to resonate. Our Democratic party is saying no to nuclear, no to coal, no to nat gas, no to more oil drilling--without any substantive or easily communicated solutions to answer the cry of "drill/drill/drill" In this scenario, I think it will be the Democratic Congress--like the GOP in 1995--that will be perceived as unreasonable and obstructionist.


by BJJ Fighter on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:23:20 AM EST

Re: This whole issue is a good lesson in gridlock (2.00 / 1)

I understand the desire to compromise.  The problem is whenever we try to compromise with the current administration and republican sections of congress we always get the short end of the stick.  We are too soft in that regard.

I would probably trade offshore drilling for legitimate raises in gas mileage standards, significantly increased funding into alternative energy, a well funded rail system, and real tax breaks for use of alternative energy (solar panels, etc.).  The democratic congress would probably end up trading offshore oil for some bullshit promise that would never stick.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:38:11 AM EST
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Re: This whole issue is a good lesson in gridlock (2.00 / 1)

Yes, the tradeoffs are always the fossil fuel company lobbyists get what they want,at a deal that CRIPPLES alternatives. Look at the miserly tax breaks that don't renew for wind for example. Coal and gas producers who are subsidiaries of Big Oil DEMAND TOKEN PAYMENTS AND THE BIGGEST SHARES OF INCENTIVES, CREDITS always GO BACK TO OIL AND GAS. This is what scuttled the energy bill in the Senate with the republican bribed goons voting their pocketbooks. Their necks hang on oil lobby money reported or not (some of it is promises to save their skins if they are defeated) so they toe the line.

The outer shelf moratorium lift and leasing in the same old, same old way is ridiculous. Most of the leases are too expensive in drilling rig costs to develop, even now unless prices go up some more. The companies are playing a form of Las Vegas roulette with them hoping some one will come in as a gusher to offset the slow expensive ones. In any event,the market is roughly balanced as to demand to keep a floor on prices. There will be NO huge  or even a small increase in supply, what will happen is the companies will take the cheapest (for them to produce) leases to exploit and shut-in (close off) the older leases that are more expensive.

Net result is same amount of oil or gas pumped, but the company's cost are lower so they make more profit. That's it. The monopoly position on energy they have means prices on fuels like gasoline will stay stable, and more expensive. It won't come down beyond a token amount (if some speculation is wrung out of the market).

 Nearly every other country deals with the oil companies as servants, demanding a fair share of revenues. Thru those revenues or taxes, much of government services and infrastructure is supported. For 8 dollar a gallon gas, a European country also gets free health care,education thru college, etc. The United States sets the payments low, and what's worse,incentivizes and gives back much of the payment as "tax credits" and giveaways to cover costs of exploration and production. Making it much cheaper for US oil companies to do business here.

 Nearly (except Britain) everybody else makes the fossil fuel companies compete for a share of the business. The US gives away the resources with 1872 style obsolete under market price royalties, even allowing these firms to hold back production or ship it overseas to enhance their bottom line regardless of the impact on the rest of the economy in America.


by PeteRock on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 07:54:58 AM EST
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Re: MyDD Help Me Win the Oil Argument!! (2.00 / 2)

Perhaps I'm overly dramatic, but some pictures of the future Florida coastline might be helpful, especially if they spend any of their tourism dollars down there.

Pretty likely:
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I hope not, but it happens too often:
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No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:30:39 AM EST

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My parents are numbers people and will just quickly point out that I am trying to pull at the heart strings because I can't back up my rationale with math.

That said, once they understand that we won't be saving money, I plan to explain the negative ramifications of offshore oil, i.e. the environment and the wasted time that could have been devoted to other options.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:41:36 AM EST
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Re: MyDD Help Me Win the Oil Argument!! (2.00 / 1)

Well, if you can find an estimate of how much tourism $$$ might be lost, it could have the same effect.  

A quick google search indicated that Florida's tourism industry brought in $57 billion in a recent year.  If that is damaged and jobs are lost, how many can oil platforms possibly replace?  


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 11:30:21 AM EST
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Tell your parents that any oil that is eventually pumped up a decade or more from now will go onto the world market and be bought up by the Chinese.

If they're still around and driving then they'll still be paying through the nose.

On the other hand, if they support Gore's challenge to wean ourselves from fossil fuels in the next decade they can be driving around in an electric or hydrogen powered car for pennies per day.

FDR challenged their generation to defeat genocide and imperialism and they did it.
JFK challenged their generation to go to the moon in a decade and they did it. Tell them that this is a challenge no less important to the future of you and their grandchildren and they can do it too.


by Pepe Le Pew on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:02:54 AM EST

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Be sure to point out that the recent drop in demand would have lowered prices even more if the oil companies hadn't cut back on refinery production to keep the price of gasoline high.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:04:01 PM EST

Re: MyDD Help Me Win the Oil Argument!! (none / 0)

The drilling argument is simple drilling more won't equal more oil.  We import 70% of our oil right now and have less than 2% of the world's oil reserves.  Unless there is an enormous oil field on par with Ghawar in Saudi Arabia which was estimated to have 170 billion barrels of oil in 1970 drilling will add little.  Geologists today have very good methods of detecting such large oil fields so for a field the size of Ghawar to go undetected would be rare. Also you might want to read 'The Hirsch Report' done for the Department of Energy in Feb 05 at this link:
 http://www.mnforsustain.org/oil_peaking_ of_world_oil_production_study_hirsch.htm

We are in quite a 'situation' when it comes to oil and no politician or political party can do a thing about it at this point.  In fact the only way out of this one is that little ole inventor who will discover the magic alternative energy solution.  


by orionwest on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:26:56 AM EST


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